{"id":1265,"date":"2020-09-16T11:19:05","date_gmt":"2020-09-16T11:19:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/?post_type=episode&#038;p=1265"},"modified":"2021-01-15T18:03:01","modified_gmt":"2021-01-15T18:03:01","slug":"6-cei-care-asculta","status":"publish","type":"episode","link":"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/?episode=6-cei-care-asculta","title":{"rendered":"#6 Cei care ascult\u0103"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>Aboneaz\u0103-te la podcastul \u201eSunt Bine\u201d \u0219i las\u0103-ne o recomandare! \ud83c\udf1f<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button is-style-outline is-style-outline--1\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-vivid-purple-color has-text-color wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/sunt-bine-podcast\/id1505037113\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button is-style-outline is-style-outline--2\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-vivid-red-color has-text-color wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xODdiMzE5MC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw==\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Google Podcasts<\/a><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button is-style-outline is-style-outline--3\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-vivid-green-cyan-color has-text-color wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0uzfEeaELxUIpQHnyF7TrL\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">Sergiu Toma \u00eei \u021bine minte bine pe cei pe care i-a consiliat, pove\u0219tile lor r\u0103m\u00e2n cu el. \u00ce\u0219i aminte\u0219te, de exemplu, de Victor, un t\u00e2n\u0103r de 17 ani cu dizabilit\u0103\u021bi intelectuale dintr-un sat din sudul Moldovei. Victor se lovea peste picioare \u0219i obraji de fiecare dat\u0103 c\u00e2nd mama lui, o femeie simpl\u0103, cu ochi curio\u0219i, \u00eencadra\u021bi \u00een ochelari, \u00eel ruga s\u0103 ias\u0103 din cas\u0103 sau s\u0103 mearg\u0103 cu ea \u00een ora\u0219. Cu c\u00e2t mai insistent\u0103 era mama, cu at\u00e2t mai mare era probabilitatea c\u0103 Victor \u00ee\u0219i va face r\u0103u. Psihologul Sergiu Toma era acolo, \u00een veranda casei, s\u0103 dezlege acest mister.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eNu po\u021bi s\u0103 schimbi g\u00e2ndurile, cogni\u021biile, modalitatea omului de a vedea lumea, pentru c\u0103 tocmai abilitatea asta e limitat\u0103. \u0218i atunci, nu po\u021bi s\u0103 faci altceva dec\u00e2t s\u0103 schimbi mediul.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dup\u0103 multe observa\u021bii \u0219i discu\u021bii, Sergiu a \u00een\u021beles c\u0103 lui Victor \u00eei era fric\u0103 s\u0103 plece de acas\u0103. Probabil, c\u00e2ndva i se \u00eent\u00e2mplase ceva ur\u00e2t, de partea cealalt\u0103 a por\u021bii, \u00een drum. E\u0219u\u00e2nd s\u0103 exprime \u00een cuvinte ceea ce simte, Victor recurgea la gesturi. Sergiu i-a explicat asta mamei:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201e\u0218i ziceam: \u201eHai s\u0103-l \u00eencuraj\u0103m s\u0103 aib\u0103 o experien\u021b\u0103 mai nou\u0103, mai diferit\u0103\u201d. \u015ei atunci am ajutat-o pe ea s\u0103 nu aib\u0103 pozi\u021bia celui care for\u021beaz\u0103 sau care \u00eel convinge, dar s\u0103 fie cea care st\u00e2rne\u0219te curiozitatea \u0219i cea care zice: \u201eHai s\u0103-\u021bi ar\u0103t ceva\u201d sau \u201eHai s\u0103-\u021bi dau ceva\u201d.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>A\u0219a ar\u0103ta via\u021ba lui Sergiu \u00een anul 2010, c\u00e2nd activa \u00eentr-un proiect na\u021bional pentru persoane cu dizabilit\u0103\u021bi intelectuale. Copii \u0219i adul\u021bi, care \u00ee\u0219i petrecuser\u0103 o bun\u0103 parte din via\u021b\u0103 \u00eentr-o institu\u021bie de tip \u00eenchis, se \u00eentorceau \u00een familii, iar Sergiu, \u00eempreun\u0103 cu al\u021bi speciali\u0219ti, \u00eei ajutau s\u0103 se integreze.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eIdeea asta cu care ie\u0219isem din facultate &#8211; care te \u00eenva\u021b\u0103 cumva de prin c\u0103r\u021bi c\u0103 psihologia \u00eenseamn\u0103 s\u0103 stai \u00eentr-un cabinet \u0219i s\u0103 dai din cap \u00een timp ce omul st\u0103 pe canapea &#8211; se transformase dintr-o dat\u0103 \u00eentr-o alt\u0103 realitate, \u00een care tu erai acolo fa\u021b\u0103 \u00een fa\u021b\u0103 cu dificult\u0103\u021bile \u0219i provoc\u0103rile oamenilor \u0219i trebuia s\u0103 le fii de ajutor, reie\u0219ind din condi\u021biile \u00een care ei se afl\u0103.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Pentru Sergiu, asta \u00eensemna s\u0103 la\u0219i cravata acas\u0103, s\u0103 pui pe tine un tricou \u0219i o pereche de adida\u0219i. S\u0103 vorbe\u0219ti cu oamenii pe \u00een\u021belesul lor. S\u0103-i consiliezi acolo, \u00een c\u00e2mp, sau \u00een timp ce cur\u0103\u021b\u0103 porumb \u00een curte. S\u0103-i observi \u0219i s\u0103 fii uman.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eA observa\u201d este ceea ce Sergiu \u0219tie s\u0103 fac\u0103 de c\u00e2nd se \u021bine minte. Era atent la lumea din jur din copil\u0103rie, de c\u00e2nd \u00ee\u0219i \u00eemp\u0103r\u021bea verile \u00eentre jocurile pe asfalt cu prietenii de la ora\u0219 \u0219i hoin\u0103reala pe dealurile satului Ro\u0219ietici, de pe malul r\u00e2ului R\u0103ut. Copil fiind, \u00eencerca s\u0103 capteze c\u00e2t mai mult din via\u021ba ce-l \u00eenconjura.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eS\u0103 observ cum curge r\u00e2ul, cum stau oamenii \u0219i prind pe\u0219te, cum bunica coace p\u00e2ine\u2026 Cred c\u0103 de-atunci, la sat, am descoperit curiozitatea asta pentru a urm\u0103ri&nbsp; cum se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 lucrurile \u00een jur.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Aceast\u0103 curiozitate \u00eel \u00eenso\u021be\u015fte \u0219i \u00een via\u021ba de adult. Prietenii au fost cei care l-au ajutat s\u0103 o con\u0219tientizeze. \u00centr-o zi, au mers cu ga\u0219ca s\u0103 priveasc\u0103 \u201eMindhunters\u201d &#8211; un film de ac\u021biune, care rula \u00een 2004 la cinematograful \u201eFlac\u0103ra\u201d. C\u00e2nd au ie\u0219it de la cinema, un prieten i-a zis c\u0103 seam\u0103n\u0103 cu unul dintre personaje \u2013 un psiholog care se pricepea la deslu\u0219irea portretelor de criminali. De\u0219i nu a luat-o \u00een serios la \u00eenceput, aceast\u0103 conversa\u021bie i-a r\u0103mas undeva \u00eentr-un col\u0163 al min\u0163ii. C\u00e2\u021biva ani mai t\u00e2rziu, a mers s\u0103 depun\u0103 dosarul pentru a-\u0219i continua studiile superioare. Multitudinea de op\u021biuni afi\u0219ate pe pere\u021bii Universit\u0103\u021bii de Stat era debusolant\u0103\u2026&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eAm citit cam cine o s\u0103 fiu \u0219i am zis: nu \u0219tiu ce ar \u00eensemna psiholog, dar mi se pare mai p\u0103m\u00e2ntesc dec\u00e2t filozof \u0219i am intrat. \u0218i, practic, \u00een primul an de studii am \u00een\u021beles c\u0103 n-am gre\u0219it.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>La Facultatea de Psihologie \u0219i Limbi Moderne, Sergiu era unul dintre pu\u021binii b\u0103ie\u021bi. Nu era \u00eens\u0103 singurul motiv pentru care ceilal\u021bi gravitau \u00een jurul lui. Colegele de facultate deseori \u00eei m\u0103rturiseau experien\u021bele lor mai pu\u021bin pl\u0103cute. \u00cel vedeau ca pe cineva c\u0103ruia i-ar putea dest\u0103inui grijile \u00een siguran\u021b\u0103. (Apropo, Sergiu \u015fi-a g\u0103sit la facultate nu doar voca\u0163ia, ci \u0219i viitoarea so\u021bie, cu care are doi copii.)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Dup\u0103 absolvirea facult\u0103\u021bii de psihologie, Sergiu a intrat la masterat. A urmat \u0219i un doctorat, combinat cu mai multe joburi. De\u0219i \u00eei pl\u0103cea tot mai mult meseria pe care \u0219i-o alesese, Sergiu \u00eei descoperea problemele. Speciali\u0219tii existen\u021bi erau \u00eempr\u0103\u0219tia\u021bi \u0219i nu colaborau \u00eentre ei. Nu exista o comunitate profesional\u0103, iar din punct de vedere legislativ, domeniul era o nebuloas\u0103. Aceste probleme, apropo, r\u0103m\u00e2n valabile \u0219i azi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eNoi ori suntem absorbi\u021bi de organiza\u021biile \u00een care lucr\u0103m \u0219i ne dizolv\u0103m \u00een aceste organiza\u021bii \u0219i, cumva, \u00eenc\u0103 nu avem \u00een profesie o claritate legislativ\u0103, care s\u0103 ne zic\u0103 cine suntem clar, ori suntem prin practic\u0103 privat\u0103 \u0219i nu \u0219tim unii de al\u021bii \u0219i ne auzim numai a\u0219a, \u0219i ne vedem unul pe altul la televizor.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2048\" height=\"2048\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1266\"\/><figcaption>Ilustra\u021bie: Ana Grigorovscaia<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Prin defini\u021bie, psihologul caut\u0103 explica\u021bii \u0219i solu\u021bii la dificult\u0103\u021bile suflete\u0219ti \u0219i de rela\u021bii ale oamenilor \u0219i, spre deosebire de psihiatru, nu prescrie medicamente. \u00cen Republica Moldova nu exist\u0103 deocamdat\u0103 o lege a psihologului, iar domeniul r\u0103m\u00e2ne nereglementat. Psihologii din \u021bar\u0103 se \u00eempart \u00een dou\u0103 mari categorii: cei care activeaz\u0103 \u00een institu\u021bii de stat \u0219i cei care au cabinete private.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>G\u0103sim psihologii angaja\u0163i de stat aproape \u00een toate domeniile: educa\u0163ie, s\u0103n\u0103tate, justi\u0163ie, ap\u0103rare\u2026 Ace\u015ftia trebuie s\u0103 corespund\u0103 normelor interne ale institu\u021biei din care fac parte. Pentru cei de la privat nu exist\u0103 standarde de func\u021bionare, respectiv, activitatea lor nu poate fi evaluat\u0103. \u00cen aceste circumstan\u021be, exist\u0103 riscul s\u0103 se strecoare a\u0219a-zi\u0219i \u201epsihologi\u201d incompeten\u021bi. Virginia Rusnac, doctor \u00een psihologie, face parte din grupul de lucru ce se ocup\u0103 de elaborarea legii psihologului. Experta men\u0163ioneaz\u0103 \u015fi o alt\u0103 problem\u0103:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Virginia Rusnac<\/strong>: \u201eUn cod deontologic general, pentru to\u021bi psihologii, nu exist\u0103, el ar ap\u0103rea ca un document normativ \u00een urma aprob\u0103rii unei legi a psihologului, dar este absolut necesar un cod de etic\u0103, pentru c\u0103 un cod de etic\u0103 autodisciplineaz\u0103 persoanele responsabile \u00eentr-un anumit domeniu, men\u021bine un grad \u00eenalt de profesionalism. (&#8230;) Opinia public\u0103 are mai mult\u0103 \u00eencredere \u00een aceast\u0103 profesie \u0219i \u00een rela\u021biile pe care le poate avea \u00een acest context.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lipsa unei legi las\u0103 loc pentru interpret\u0103ri, incertitudine \u0219i ne\u00eencredere \u00een domeniu. Din cauza asta sufer\u0103 at\u00e2t clien\u021bii \u2013 care nu au \u00eencredere \u0219i nu se adreseaz\u0103 dup\u0103 ajutor, c\u00e2t \u0219i psihologii profesioni\u0219ti \u2013 care nu au o baz\u0103 legal\u0103 ce le poate atesta competen\u021ba.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Aceste circumstan\u021be creeaz\u0103 un sol fertil pentru apari\u021bia altor probleme, cum ar fi stereotipurile \u0219i prejudec\u0103\u021bile. Victoria Captari, psiholog cu o experien\u021b\u0103 de peste 13 ani, simte asta \u00een interac\u0163iunea cu clien\u0163ii. Unii, spune ea, vin la psiholog ca la ghicitoare.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Victoria Captari<\/strong>: \u201eAm avut cazuri interesante, c\u00e2nd oamenii intrau \u0219i se a\u0219ezau pe canapea, se uitau la mine \u0219i a\u0219teptau s\u0103 le spun ceva. Eu \u00eentrebam: cu ce a\u021bi venit, care este problema? \u0218i ei se uitau la mine: p\u0103i, am venit s\u0103-mi spune\u021bi ce vede\u021bi la mine. Am zis atunci c\u0103 \u00eemi pare r\u0103u, dar a\u021bi gre\u0219it adresa. Nu sunt ghicitoare, nu sunt prezic\u0103toare, sunt psiholog \u0219i sunt aici pentru a v\u0103 ajuta, nu pentru a v\u0103 ghici s\u0103 v\u0103d cine sunte\u021bi dvs.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>La r\u00e2ndul s\u0103u, Sergiu ne-a vorbit despre stereotipurile legate de psihologii b\u0103rba\u021bi.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eSpun la prima \u0219edin\u021b\u0103 \u0219i mame, \u0219i ta\u021bi: \u201eNoi am venit la dumneavoastr\u0103 pentru c\u0103 vrem implicarea unui b\u0103rbat psiholog\u201d. \u0218i pentru mine lucrul acesta, de foarte multe ori, era foarte straniu. [&#8230;] La \u00eenceput m\u0103 frustra lucrul \u0103sta, dar acum zic: \u201eOk, dac\u0103 asta e ceea ce te ajut\u0103 s\u0103 p\u0103\u0219e\u0219ti \u00een ace\u0219ti proces, fie\u201d. Pentru c\u0103 eu, \u00een esen\u021b\u0103, oricum r\u0103m\u00e2n eu, profesionist \u00een fa\u021ba ta.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La un moment dat, Sergiu a \u00een\u021beles c\u0103 ar vrea s\u0103 discute cu cineva despre provoc\u0103rile meseriei.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eEste important s\u0103 ai o comunitate profesional\u0103 \u00een care s\u0103 te sim\u021bi \u00een siguran\u021b\u0103, unde s\u0103 po\u021bi veni \u0219i s\u0103 poveste\u0219ti despre dificult\u0103\u021bile tale \u0219i din care s\u0103 po\u021bi lua resurse, adic\u0103 unde s\u0103 nu fii judecat, unde nimeni s\u0103 nu-\u021bi spun\u0103 c\u0103 nu ai f\u0103cut ce trebuie, nu ai aplicat tehnica potrivit\u0103, s\u0103 ai un grup de suport, dac\u0103 vrei, dar un grup de suport profesional.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Sergiu sim\u021bea asta \u00eenc\u0103 din facultate. Era un sentiment \u00eemp\u0103rt\u0103\u0219it de mul\u021bi. Timpul trecea, solu\u0163ii nu ap\u0103reau, a\u015fa c\u0103 psihologii s-au g\u00e2ndit s\u0103 se ajute singuri, cre\u00e2ndu-\u0219i propria comunitate.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: Nelly, ce-ai f\u0103cut de ziua ta de na\u0219tere? Porne\u0219te-\u021bi microfonul, c\u0103 de altfel&#8230;&nbsp;<\/em><br><em><strong>Nelly<\/strong>: Am fost la Gr\u0103dina Botanic\u0103 \u0219i ne-am plimbat \u0219i a doua zi venit Oxana cu surpriz\u0103 \u0219i cu Eliza. M-au \u201efelicitat\u201d! \u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, eu m-am speriat de c\u00e2\u021bi ani am \u0219i ai mei mi-au zis c\u0103 nu am num\u0103rat corect, nu \u0219tiam c\u00e2\u021bi ani am. Eu am num\u0103rat pe degete, c\u0103 nu-mi ie\u0219ea cifra.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Totul s-a schimbat \u00een 2015, c\u00e2nd Sergiu, \u00eempreun\u0103 cu dou\u0103 colege, pe care tocmai le-ai auzit, \u0219i-au \u00eenceput specializarea \u00een psihoterapie la Ia\u0219i. Au format un grup \u00een cadrul c\u0103ruia f\u0103ceau schimb de cuno\u0219tin\u021be, discutau cazuri \u0219i teorii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eNoi mergeam de la Ia\u0219i la Chi\u0219in\u0103u \u0219i tot drumul era un fel de: \u201eMam\u0103, dar ce chestie fain\u0103 a zis colega, dar tu \u021bii minte nu \u0219tiu ce acolo&#8230;\u201d Sau aveam curajul \u0103sta de a ne provoca unul pe altul: \u201eCe draci a st\u00e2rnit \u00een tine sau ce taracani a st\u00e2rnit \u00een tine tema asta?\u201d. Dar cum e cu teoria asta? Dar cum e cu ipoteza asta? \u0218i era un fel de discu\u021bie din asta pe fundalul muzicii din ma\u0219in\u0103, spre Chi\u0219in\u0103u.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Munca psihologilor \u00een Moldova: \u00eentre stereotipuri \u0219i lips\u0103 de reguli | Sunt Bine Podcast\" width=\"825\" height=\"464\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-iEr68_Mg70?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Sergiu spune c\u0103 au \u00een\u021beles cu to\u021bii puterea comunit\u0103\u021bii. C\u00e2t de necesar este s\u0103-i po\u021bi povesti colegului prin ce treci, s\u0103 ceri un sfat, s\u0103 \u00eemp\u0103rt\u0103\u0219e\u0219ti un g\u00e2nd. A\u0219adar, \u00een una dintre seri, st\u00e2nd \u00eentins pe pat \u00eentr-un hostel din Ia\u0219i, Sergiu \u0219i-a \u00eentrebat colegii:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eCe ar fi dac\u0103 noi am pune um\u0103rul, unul \u0219i altul, \u0219i am fonda o mic\u0103 organiza\u021bie a noastr\u0103 \u0219i cuno\u0219tin\u021bele astea pe care le \u00eenv\u0103\u021b\u0103m aici, plus toat\u0103 experien\u021ba pe care o avem, s\u0103 le transform\u0103m \u00eentr-o chestie care s\u0103 fie de folos oamenilor, dar \u0219i s\u0103 beneficiem de chestia asta de ajutor reciproc?\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A\u0219a a ap\u0103rut Institutul pentru Familie \u0219i Ini\u021biative Sociale. \u00cen 2016, cei c\u00e2\u021biva prieteni au decis s\u0103 creeze o organiza\u021bie de profesioni\u0219ti ce promoveaz\u0103 bun\u0103starea familiei \u0219i copilului prin servicii de consiliere. Grupul e format din \u0219apte persoane, care, pe l\u00e2ng\u0103 responsabilit\u0103\u021bile de la Institut, mai au \u0219i practic\u0103 privat\u0103. O \u021bine\u021bi minte pe Victoria Captari? E psihologul care povestea la \u00eenceput c\u0103 unii clien\u021bi a\u0219teapt\u0103 de la ea abilit\u0103\u021bi de ghicitoare. \u00cen scurt timp dup\u0103 \u00eenfiin\u021bare, \u015fi ea s-a al\u0103turat asocia\u021biei din care face parte Sergiu Toma.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Victoria Captari<\/strong>: \u201eM\u0103 simt binecuv\u00e2ntat\u0103 \u0219i m\u0103 bucur enorm de mult c\u0103 fac parte din aceast\u0103 echip\u0103, deoarece ne reg\u0103sim \u0219i ne complet\u0103m foarte mult unii pe al\u021bii.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: Salut, Nelly. Iat\u0103 \u0219i Irina se conecteaz\u0103&#8230; Bonjour, doamna P\u0103dure, nu te auzi!&nbsp;<\/em><br><em><strong>Voce de femeie<\/strong>: Salut!&nbsp;<\/em><br><em><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: Salut, ce faci?&nbsp;<\/em><br><em><strong>Voce de femeie<\/strong>: Ah, m\u0103 aud, ok. Setam nu \u0219tiu ce pe telefon, nu reu\u0219eam la Zoom-ul \u0103sta \u0219i m\u0103 mi\u0219c prin cas\u0103&#8230; M\u0103 g\u00e2ndeam la cazurile astea care sunt \u0219i vre\u021bi s\u0103 trece\u021bi peste ele&#8230;<\/em><br><em><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: Bun, hai s\u0103 vedem ce facem azi, ce fel de intervizare o s\u0103 avem.&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce-ai auzit acum e \u00eenceputul unei \u0219edin\u021be de intervizare \u2013 \u00eent\u00e2lniri regulate ale membrilor Institutului, \u00een timpul c\u0103rora pun \u00een discu\u021bie diferite situa\u021bii din practica lor. Sergiu spune c\u0103 aceste \u0219edin\u021be au dou\u0103 roluri mari:&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eCa s\u0103 \u0219tii, pe de-o parte, cum s\u0103 te confrun\u021bi, cum s\u0103 gestionezi toat\u0103 oboseala, toate dificult\u0103\u021bile date de aceast\u0103 profesie \u0219i, pe de alt\u0103 parte, s\u0103 r\u0103m\u00e2i \u00een contact cu colegii t\u0103i.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Din cauza pandemiei de COVID-19, colegii se \u00eent\u00e2lnesc acum online. \u00cenainte, aceste \u0219edin\u021be aveau loc la birou, cu bomboane, biscui\u021bi \u0219i cafea. Colegii se a\u0219ezau \u00een cerc \u0219i \u00eencepeau s\u0103 discute liber, respect\u00e2nd, totodat\u0103, ni\u0219te reguli.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Victoria Captari<\/strong>: \u201e\u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, este vorba de confiden\u021bialitate, ce se discut\u0103 \u00een \u0219edin\u021b\u0103 r\u0103m\u00e2ne \u00een \u0219edin\u021b\u0103, noi mai departe nici nu mai comunic\u0103m despre asta. Nu judec\u0103m, vorbim la prima persoan\u0103, oferim sfaturi dac\u0103 se cer sau \u00eentreb\u0103m dac\u0103 e nevoie \u0219i de fiecare dat\u0103 avem un moderator prin rota\u021bie, astfel \u00eenc\u00e2t fiecare s\u0103 treac\u0103 prin aceast\u0103 etap\u0103 \u0219i s\u0103 fie de folos pentru cei care suntem \u00een \u0219edin\u021b\u0103.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sergiu \u00ee\u0219i aminte\u0219te un caz concret, c\u00e2nd comunitatea i-a \u00eentins o m\u00e2n\u0103 de ajutor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eEu consultam o doamn\u0103 care, la un moment dat, a \u00eenceput s\u0103 povesteasc\u0103 c\u0103 are g\u00e2nduri negre, le zicem noi, c\u0103 are g\u00e2nduri s\u0103-\u0219i pun\u0103 cap\u0103t zilelor. Dar ceea ce m-a deranjat pe mine nu a fost asta, pentru c\u0103 acesta e un lucru pe care noi \u0219tim cum s\u0103-l abord\u0103m. (&#8230;) Ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat a fost un moment, \u00eenc\u0103 \u00een timpul \u0219edin\u021bei, nu \u0219tiu exact cum s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat lucrul \u0103sta, omul dintr-odat\u0103 a \u00eenceput s\u0103 fie foarte agitat, s\u0103 strige. Dintr-odat\u0103 starea lui a trecut dintr-o extrem\u0103 \u00een alta, de la foarte sup\u0103rat, pl\u00e2ns, disperat la foarte agitat, agresiv. Eu st\u0103team \u00een fa\u021ba calculatorului \u0219i nu \u00een\u021belegeam ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 efectiv \u0219i nici nu puteam s\u0103-mi dau seama ce s-a schimbat, pentru c\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd e\u0219ti \u00een cabinet e un pic altfel, dar c\u00e2nd e\u0219ti online, \u00ee\u021bi dai seama, poate s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat ceva acolo.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sergiu a venit acas\u0103 tulburat \u0219i \u0219i-a \u00eentrebat colegii pe chatul privat de pe Facebook dac\u0103 au timp s\u0103-l asculte.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201e\u0218i mai mul\u021bi colegi de acolo: ce, cum, ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat? Zi, hai, eu sunt liber, \u00een cinci minute po\u021bi s\u0103 m\u0103 suni pe mine. (&#8230;) \u0218i am \u00eenceput s\u0103 scriu, s\u0103 povestesc ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat. Colegii au \u00eenceput s\u0103-mi dea tot felul de \u00eentreb\u0103ri de clarificare: dar cum te-ai sim\u021bit, dar unde s-a dus, dar ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat dup\u0103? \u0218i, practic, tot procesul \u0103sta de relatare, chiar dac\u0103 era \u00een scris, m-a lini\u0219tit foarte mult, mai ales c\u0103 la sf\u00e2r\u0219it cineva dintre colegi mi-a scris: Sergiu, acum, dup\u0103 ce ai scris toate lucrurile astea, unde e\u0219ti? E\u0219ti \u00een continuare \u00een \u0219edin\u021ba aia? Sau e\u0219ti acas\u0103, pe canapea? \u0218i c\u00e2nd colega a spus asta, pentru mine asta a fost: da, stai, chiar, eu nu mai sunt \u00een \u0219edin\u021ba aia.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u0103 facem o scurt\u0103 incursiune istoric\u0103. Despre psihologie, \u00een acest spa\u021biu geografic, a \u00eenceput s\u0103 se vorbeasc\u0103 la \u00eenceputul anilor \u201870. Un rol important \u00een promovarea acestui domeniu l-a avut Institutul de \u0218tiin\u021be ale Educa\u021biei, unde, \u00een anii \u201880, se f\u0103ceau cercet\u0103ri \u0219tiin\u021bifice la acest subiect.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>C\u00e2t despre alte \u021b\u0103ri, \u00een unele universit\u0103\u021bi, \u00een special \u00een Statele Unite, departamentele de psihologie au fost ini\u021bial catedre ale departamentului de filozofie, \u00een timp ce \u00een alte \u021b\u0103ri, \u00een special \u00een Germania, ele au fost fondate \u00een cadrul facult\u0103\u021bilor de \u0219tiin\u021be exacte. Abia spre sf\u00e2r\u0219itul secolului al XIX-lea, psihologia a \u00eenceput s\u0103 fie considerat\u0103 o disciplin\u0103 \u0219tiin\u021bific\u0103 de sine st\u0103t\u0103toare.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen Republica Moldova, au fost mai multe \u00eencerc\u0103ri de a reglementa domeniul psihologiei: \u00een 2014, \u00een 2016 \u0219i la sf\u00e2r\u0219itul anului 2019. Echipa lui Sergiu Toma a venit cu c\u00e2teva recomand\u0103ri pentru \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u021birea proiectului, dar mai este cale lung\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 la adoptarea legii psihologului. Din nou, experta Virginia Rusnac:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Virginia Rusnac<\/strong>: \u201eDe ce nu a ap\u0103rut? Cred c\u0103 nu a fost suficient\u0103 voin\u021b\u0103 politic\u0103, pe de o parte. Pe de alt\u0103 parte, poate insisten\u0163\u0103 insuficient\u0103 din partea celora care au nevoie de aceast\u0103 lege.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Pe parcursul anului 2020, grupul de speciali\u0219ti care promoveaz\u0103 \u201elegea psihologilor\u201d a lucrat asupra versiunii 3 a proiectului. Acum, e la etapa de punere pe h\u00e2rtie. \u00cen aceast\u0103 toamn\u0103 ar urma s\u0103 \u00eenceap\u0103 discu\u021biile publice, spune Virginia Rusnac.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Sergiu \u0219i colegii lui desf\u0103\u0219oar\u0103 \u0219edin\u021be de intervizare din 2016. Acum \u00ee\u0219i doresc s\u0103 transmit\u0103 experien\u021ba acumulat\u0103 mai departe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eUn lucru la care ne g\u00e2ndim acum s\u0103-l facem e s\u0103 lans\u0103m oportunitatea pentru mai mul\u021bi colegi de a se \u00eentruni \u00een \u0219edin\u021be de intervizare.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen pofida faptului c\u0103 domeniul r\u0103m\u00e2ne nereglementat, deschiderea oamenilor de a merge la un specialist este mult mai mare. Comparativ cu 2013, de exemplu, c\u00e2nd oamenii \u00eenc\u0103 aveau concep\u021bii eronate despre activitatea de psiholog, arat\u0103 datele citate \u00eentr-o publica\u021bie \u0219tiin\u021bific\u0103 a Universit\u0103\u021bii de Stat din Moldova.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Victoria Captari<\/strong>: \u201eDac\u0103 vorbim de Republica Moldova, lucrurile s-au schimbat, deoarece sunt persoane, care nu neap\u0103rat s\u0103 fie cazuri de violen\u021b\u0103 \u00een familie, de violuri, cazuri de idea\u021bii suicidale, adic\u0103 situa\u021bii de criz\u0103, ci sunt \u0219i persoane care \u00ee\u0219i doresc doar, pur \u0219i simplu, coaching sau, pur \u0219i simplu, ghidare \u00een carier\u0103 sau chiar au o situa\u021bie problematic\u0103 \u00een cuplu, care nu \u0219tiu ce s\u0103 fac\u0103, \u00een ce direc\u021bie s\u0103 o ia \u0219i decid \u00eempreun\u0103 s\u0103 mearg\u0103 la psihoterapeut ca s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 care este rostul lor, ce vor s\u0103 fac\u0103 mai departe \u0219i s\u0103 o fac\u0103 pe o cale pa\u0219nic\u0103.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Odat\u0103 cu schimbarea \u00een societate, trebuie s\u0103 aib\u0103 loc \u0219i o schimbare \u00een domeniu. Psihologii trebuie s\u0103 \u00eenceap\u0103 s\u0103 aib\u0103 grij\u0103 de sine, crede Sergiu Toma. Unii dintre ei continu\u0103 s\u0103 cread\u0103 c\u0103, dac\u0103 e\u0219ti psiholog, \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 nu po\u021bi avea probleme \u0219i dificult\u0103\u021bi. E timpul ca aceast\u0103 contradic\u021bie intern\u0103 s\u0103 dispar\u0103, spune Sergiu.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eEu tot am tr\u0103it mult timp cu ideea asta, pentru c\u0103 mi se p\u0103rea cumva a\u0219a, chiar dac\u0103 multora le e fric\u0103 s\u0103 recunoasc\u0103 c\u0103 ei se g\u00e2ndesc a\u0219a, dar ei a\u015fa g\u00e2ndesc. \u0218i am ajuns la un moment dat \u00eentr-o situa\u021bie de impas, \u00een care lucrurile mergeau \u00een via\u021b\u0103 deloc bine \u0219i eu nu mai \u0219tiam ce s\u0103 fac. Erau ni\u0219te conflicte care m\u0103 cople\u0219eau \u0219i atunci am zis: \u201eEu merg s\u0103 m\u0103 clarific\u201d.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Sergiu vine cu un sfat pentru colegi, pentru clien\u021bi \u0219i, probabil, pentru sine.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sergiu<\/strong>: \u201eOamenii trebuie s\u0103 fie \u00eentr-un continuu proces de a avea grij\u0103 de sine. C\u0103ci ai grij\u0103 de sine nu doar atunci c\u00e2nd te speli diminea\u021ba sau te speli pe din\u021bi. Ai grij\u0103 de sine atunci c\u00e2nd deschizi o carte c\u00e2nd ai dificult\u0103\u021bi, c\u00e2nd mergi la psiholog dac\u0103 nu te descurci, c\u00e2nd spui \u201enu\u201d pentru c\u0103 nu mai po\u021bi, nu pentru c\u0103 a\u0219a trebuie. Nu trebuie s\u0103 salvezi pe toat\u0103 lumea, trebuie s\u0103 faci doar ce depinde de tine.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"199\" height=\"54\" src=\"https:\/\/suntbine.md\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/decorative-line-black-transparent-png-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-644\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Acest episod a fost realizat cu sprijinul <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eda.admin.ch\/countries\/moldova\/ro\/home\/reprezentantse\/cooperare.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Biroului de cooperare al Elve\u021biei \u00een Republica Moldova<\/a>. Opiniile exprimate ne apar\u021bin \u0219i nu reflect\u0103 neap\u0103rat punctul de vedere al donatorilor.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sergiu Toma e psiholog \u0219i psihoterapeut \u00eentr-o \u021bar\u0103 \u00een care nu exist\u0103 o lege a psihologului, iar unii \u00eenc\u0103 mai cred c\u0103 psihologia e o vr\u0103jeal\u0103. 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